Talk: Logan

Does anyone think it would be good if they had childhood and Logan bullied u constantly. like atomic wedgies lol? i think it would be a good setting for the game. —Preceding unsigned comment added by AwesomeGordo (talk • contribs) . Please sign your posts with ~~~~

It would be kind of fun, but since you grow up in a castle as a prince I think it unlikely that your tutors and the Hero of Bowerstone will allow it. Even if it will only be during your Childhood because I don't think king Logan will be bullying his brother or sister. Cadus 15:00, July 5, 2010 (UTC)

Its possible that could happen but im thinking something traumatic will happen to him in his childhood/early adulthood and cause him to become "evil". Ive also noticed he has a few scars on his face. Anyone think that might be a clue at all? Of course this is all pure speculation but it could account for how he isnt exactly "good" if the fable 2 parent is good. Any more theories?Aleksandr the Great 22:05, July 5, 2010 (UTC)

The bullying idea is good and maybe something traumatic did happen when he was a child. But that would be more likely if the hero of Bowerstone was an evil charactor.

Hey here is another thought since Logan is also part of the Bloodline maybe he is also a hero. So maybe when you fight him at the end of the first half of the game he will be a lot more powerful than lucien and also have will? User:Smithy1259

Ya he should have will. i think they learned their lesson with Lucien is the final boss. imagine a horrible tyrant king that has the Archon blood in him gets killed with one gunshot. that would suck so much. if that happens im walking to my store and demanding a refun --AwesomeGordo 01:16, July 6, 2010 (UTC)

he can have will but who traned him mabye the hero of bowestone

Not that they'll give you one... But this will happen only halfway through the game so he can't be too strong, otherwise Aurora won't be a challenge at all. Cadus 11:57, July 6, 2010 (UTC)

i know i was just expressing my feelings if logan isnt gonna be harder than Lucien.. AwesomeGordo 03:35, July 8, 2010 (UTC)

i heard that you will start Fable III living in the castle with your brother and you will leave to become a rebel after you find out that hes a dick. altho at what age you will be i do not know. IT SHOULD BE AWESOME-- AwesomeGordo 12:59, July 8, 2010 (UTC)

Your in your late teens i think (you might also be a bit chubby cus ur a prince and u get feasts for dinner) and Logan does somethin to ur parents, Poison maybe? and you leave the castle cus he'll probably do the same thing to you and you need to revolt against him cus he only wants money and doesn't care for the people of albion Agow95 21:33, July 27, 2010 (UTC)

Logan's Power's

because you're both the son from the hero of bowerstone does that mean that logan has special powers like will skill and strength?The Fable Guy 06:22, October 10, 2010 (UTC)

oh just noticed smithy said the same thingThe Fable Guy 06:24, October 10, 2010 (UTC)

Its highly likely but until the game comes out we won't know. Only 15 days 13hours till I get my copy of the game Alpha Lycos 06:25, October 10, 2010 (UTC)

Is it too late to pre-order? 'Defenestration^{Talk to Me} 06:27, October 10, 2010 (UTC)

Its only too late around 3 days before it comes out I think Alpha Lycos 06:29, October 10, 2010 (UTC)

He has got to have powers. lionhead would be fucking retarded if they did not give him hero abilities. i will not have a repeat about how lucien died --AwesomeGordo 07:24, October 10, 2010 (UTC)

As Peter Molyneux has said, the game is supposed to make you feel powerful, and i think there was supposed to be some sort of satisfaction in the one shot killing him. But instead it produced alot of angery gamers yelling "I played through all of the game for THAT!?" I hope they make the right choice this time around.Dellcath 10:36, October 10, 2010 (UTC)

All I want is an epic fight to the death with him, both of us extreme morphing throughtout the fight. Is that too much to ask? Oh, and I also want him to come back at the end of the Aurora storyline or something.

How can he if you kill him halfway through the game?The Fable Guy 11:14, October 10, 2010 (UTC)

Anyways, the ending of both Fable II and III (part one) were rather anti-climatic.Doomanvil 14:15, November 2, 2010 (UTC)

Dreadfully disappointing that Logan did not inherit The Hero of Bowerstone's power at all. He never really struck me as the intimidating sort any I suppose, he seemed more weary than anything. Not the tyranical ruler I invisioned from the teasers, however he is still an interesting character nonetheless.King Brennus 02:33, May 15, 2011 (UTC)King Brennus

Rule with him?

Where the heck has it been confirmed? I removed it because no proof has been given yet its been put back without any proof given. If no proof can be given that its confirmed I will remove it again and keep doing so until it stays off the page. Alpha Lycos 02:56, October 23, 2010 (UTC)

I'm absolutely sure that you have to kill him. People probably heard a rumor and think it's all real now. Defenestration^{Wanna Chat?} 02:58, October 23, 2010 (UTC)

You don't rule with him, but it is not mandatory to kill him. *Spoiler* After you storm his castle and reach the war room, he willingly relinquishes the kingdom of Albion to the Hero of Brightwall. On your first day of being a king, Logan is put on trial for his crimes against the people. You can either have him executed or let him live, but he does not rule with you and it is not known what he does after he is pardoned, but he does appear on the Road to Rule as an ally. Urias13^{Talk} 03:49, November 10, 2010 (UTC)

We know already lol. Doomanvil 09:45, November 10, 2010 (UTC)

Morality.

i read what it said about logan and the fact that he was once a good or normal king thats got corrupted makes his character interesting, unlike the pure evil jack or the insane lucien, logan was a hero who fought the darkness or whatever it said in the wiki (too early to know whats what atm) and got infected/corrupted by it. kind of like king leo from diablo, who was a decent king until diablo possesed him and made him mad and cruel.

elise comments that logan has changed and is tired all the time. (like he is fighting something inside himself maybe)

and as for his powers, there is no doubt he has all three types, hero abilities are passed down the bloodlines especially archon's (assuming that hero of bowerstone was a descendent of william)

i hope this is the right place now, i accidently made a page last time i did this. 86.128.170.82 18:04, October 27, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry to disappoint but he doesn't have the Hero abilities. And he isn't fighting something with in, his tired appearance comes from the corrupt decisions he makes. I've completed the game once so I know this info. Alpha Lycos 02:07, October 28, 2010 (UTC)

thats sad! we was hoping for a decent boss fight this time, lionhead is really starting to p*** me off with the constant stupid decisions they make. and once again they contradicted the fable lore by not given logan heroic powers...yet again maybe he does have them and either doesn't use them or hasn't unlocked them yet.nevemrind then, i hope there is decent explanation why he hasn't got powers. 86.128.170.82 12:23, October 28, 2010 (UTC)

Of course Logan hasn't unlocked them. If he had unlocked them then there would be no need for your character to even journey or revolt or anything really. Alpha Lycos 14:08, October 28, 2010 (UTC)

SPOILER ALERT. Logan's morality is tricky. He may seem corrupt based on what he says and does, however it comes to reveal that, in truth, he actually had Albion's best interests at heart. With the coming darkness, he had to find ways of making as much money as possible to raise an army - and with that, he would have to enforce laws and systems that the people may not like. One can even argue the reason he was so quick to put people to death, as in the long run, an uprising could have hurt Albion's chances for survival from someone who DIDN'T know what was coming. With a lot of stress for four years on trying to build an army that can fight an entity of pure evil, Logan could have been tired, overworked, and deathly afraid of failing his people to the point he would become a tyrant if it meant saving them. As such, one can say Logan is not evil - he does dark deeds, but for the greater good, and ultimatly sacrifices being a beloved king to best assure his kingdom's survival.

this may not be true (just my opinion) but he may have wanted an uprising, he was probably pulling a "bob kelso" (that is being so hated that it unites everyone else), so everyone is too busy hating him and protesting to do much crime and killing of eachother although it still happened but probably somewhat less that it could have been.besides he didn't really fight back when you confronted him, hell he was glad to leave the throne. 86.128.208.28 13:52, November 2, 2010 (UTC)

Logan didnt do the smart thing

i know there would be no game if this happened. but Logan should have told Walter what was going to happen to Albion when the darkness came. if Walter knew then he would understand and wouldnt go through with a revolution --AwesomeGordo 23:13, November 1, 2010 (UTC)

the revolution may have been what logan wanted as it united everyone. 86.128.208.28 13:55, November 2, 2010 (UTC)

True, but if that was the case, he would not have executed Major Swift. Doomanvil 14:10, November 2, 2010 (UTC)

actually killing swift is what made them act sooner, so he would have executed him to have a revolution, it makes him more hated and unites everyone, he was pulling what i call a "bob kelso" . The choices he was forced to make really did take a toll on him, he was glad to be rid of the crown and didn't fight back when confronted, its what he wanted other than saving albion of course. 86.128.208.28 12:15, November 3, 2010 (UTC)

Actually Logan did what he did because he thought he could save Albion. He didn't know that only a Hero could save it though. He didn't know that a revolution would happen nor that killing Swift would make it happen sooner. He killed Swift because he was trying to make people scared of revolting against him. Alpha Lycos 12:20, November 3, 2010 (UTC)

yes i know he was trying to save albion but he must have expected a revolution and must have known killing swift would anger them and make them act sooner. his "tyranny" united everyone and stopped them killing eachother...mostly. you will have to forgive my assumptions, i haven't completed it yet, i'm just trying to see what makes logan tick and so i'm just guessing at familiar actions and characteristics which i have seen before along with the motives behind the them .86.128.208.28 15:28, November 3, 2010 (UTC)

It's just another example of Theresa's excellent manipulative skills, she knows that a hero is needed, so tells logan about the darkness knowing that he would become a tyrant to stop it, thus causing Walter and the Hero of Brightwall to rise up against him, so once again, It's Bloody Theresa's fault that Albion had a tyrant, a misfortune happens, hero rises up, she did it in Fable II by giving Murgo the music box and visitng Lucien, she did it again with Logan, she just can't keep out of things can she? but back to my original point, Logan became evil because of that damned seer. Agow95 22:24, November 3, 2010 (UTC)

yes, she is a troublemaker. you have to remember that she was once a bandit or at least used her visions to help twinblade.anyway both events of fable II or III are connected to her. mind you logan wasn't evil otherwise he would revel in what he did, whats strange is that theresa usually manipulates people to get what she wants (the spire in F2) but what did she get out of manipulating logan and the hero of fable III? 86.128.208.28 11:29, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, she hasn't really done anything good in the duration of Fable III except cause trouble- for instance, not informing the Hero of the Crawler. Doomanvil 12:40, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

She didn't tell the Hero true but maybe she did this because she knew if she told the Hero they wouldn't have tried taking the throne and would have let Logan rule and just offer support to him? As she said "Only with a Hero on the throne will Albion survive" Alpha Lycos 12:42, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I guess you're right... but I still don't like the sound of her. Doomanvil 10:54, November 5, 2010 (UTC)

Anyone expecting the morality twist?

i was really shocked when i found out Logan's reasons for being a tyrant. learning that he was a just King and everyone loved him and then a few years before the start of Fable III he became a tyrant because of the threat of the darkness. i couldnt bring myself to execute him. he was just king at the wrong time in my opinion. --AwesomeGordo 10:23, November 3, 2010 (UTC)

Trivia

i had to delete something from the trivia section, feel free to put back but i don't think every single hero is descended from william if that was the case then albion would have a serious inbreeding problem not to mention that all heroes would then be three powered and far stronger. 86.128.162.9 15:53, November 12, 2010 (UTC)

well duh. only Heros that have all 3 attributes are descendants of william black. the others are just taught. --121.220.70.197 01:05, November 13, 2010 (UTC)

I agree with the guy above me. only heros that have Strength, Will and Skill are descendants of William Black/Scythe --AwesomeGordo 01:11, November 13, 2010 (UTC)

wrongo! there are three powered heroes outside of the bloodline but they are extremely rare, take thunder for example, strong, tall and able to cast lightning. but when it comes to the bloodline, its almost certain they are three powered. anyway that trivia problem is dealt with so no more needs to be said 86.128.162.9 13:10, November 14, 2010 (UTC)

Just because Thunder is tall doesn't mean hes got Skill. And where did he ever use lightning spells? As for the bloodline they only have all 3 if they unlock it. If I recall Scarlet Robe never had all 3 from the stories about her. And Theresa only seems to ahve Will. But we don't know for sure.Alpha Lycos 13:16, November 14, 2010 (UTC)

which is why i said almost. and if you played fable 1 you would know thunder casts lightning you numpty lol extreme tallness is a sign of skill and as for theresa and scarlet robe. we don't really know. they never displayed most of their powers, theresa has will, skill and maybe strength but she is more interested in her will abilities, she showed skill when she killed the bandit. speaking of theresa i doubt the spire simply enhanced her visions, if you noticed, she can now freeze time and take you away from the world, i wonder what she got out manipulating logan and the hero? 86.128.162.9 12:47, November 15, 2010 (UTC)

Thunder has never used Will in any of the game playthroughs I've done. And again being tall doesn't always mean high Skill. Reaver is shorter then the Hero of Bowerstone with maxed Skill but hes the Hero of Skill. --Alpha Lycos 12:50, November 15, 2010 (UTC)

then there is something wrong with your game or you're lying, when you fight thunder he sometimes casts an advanced form of lightning, and true, skill doesn't always make one tall but it states in lore that skill affect the growth glands or something, either the effects are different for everyone OR only two or three powered heroes are affected. thunder is tall, twinblade is tall,saker is tall, hero of oakvale and bowerstone can be tall. and reaver doesn't have maxed out skill because there is no level up for him, he is just known to be the hero of skill with impressive marksmanship, remember skill governs speed and guile as well as accuracy and probably much more. 86.128.162.9 14:22, November 15, 2010 (UTC)

hey, you do know that Alpha may never have actually fought Thunder, or seen him fight long enough for him to use lighting, and about the height thing, I don't think that thunder is a hero of skill just because he's tall, if he actually was gracefull, quick, or used ranged weapons then that would mean he had skill, but he dosen't, he uses large weapons and armour, and my hero of oakvale was huge and tall but that was because he had loads of strength upgrades, which made you into a not-green hulk, so height may not always go with skill. Agow95 19:19, November 27, 2010 (UTC)

height does go with skill, its accuracy or speed(i can't recall ATM) that makes you eventually go tall, and one don't need ranged weapons to be skilled, can be swords too, "as in skilled with a sword" etc and thunder isn't just tall, he is very tall. and you don't have to be graceful or quick to be a skilled, some don't always concentrate on certain aspects of it, in fable 1 i maxed strength and did speed and accuracy but never did much quile, the aging thing put me right off and i had to pay visits to the two temples before then. point is, he had had will abilties, he was tall, and very strong and is perhaps a three powered hero, my point is that three powered heroes aren't limited to the bloodline but outside it they are very rare and not as powerful as the bloodline ones, though i'm starting to think its getting diluted, the HOB has to use gauntlets and its seems logan is either just a normal man or his powers are dormant. chances are it was generation skip. 86.172.177.194 18:23, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

To be fair, even if you haven't fought thunder, the oracle says he cast a lightning spell when he and Whisper were attacked on the way to Albion or where ever they were going. But I think skill making you taller is a in-game thing. I mean Reaver isn't that tall. So Thunher is strong and can cast will spells, but doesn't show an use of the skill ... skill. Most of his sword attacks are slow and he uses a shield.

ANd another thought just popped to mind. To become a Hero you have to pass three exams in strength skill and will. Whisper become a Hero so she must also have some will abilites, and she has a more skill related melee figthing style aswell, and Briar Rose for that matter, she uses that duplicated spell and ... erm ... Wow I haven't played Fable TLC in a while, but I think she uses fast sword attacks aswell. Anywhom, I think other Hero's could learn the three traits, or they had to to become a Hero in the first place to pass their exams, if it was a rarity, then surely Weaver would have made a big deal about it.

To sum up, Thunder could cast Lightning spells, Reaver isn't tall, Three Hero exams. I think that clears this section up. Dellcath 21:03, January 1, 2011 (UTC)

Where is the proof?

On Logan's relations section on his page, it state's that Lady grey is possibly his mother, surely this is speculation, as the Hero of bowerstone seems to have been a good guy in Canon, as nobody expresses dislike for him in game, so he wouldn't have stolen Lady grey from the gravekeeper (a evil choice) if we are to assume his parentage would it not be Alex, who could be of either gender, meaning it would make sense if your Hero of bowerstone was female, and would not have been able to produce an heir with Lady grey, I'm okay with guessing who Logan's and hero of Brightwall's non-hero parent was, but can we at least decide who is most likely, through a poll or general agreement, I just don't think it was Lady grey. Agow95 19:32, November 28, 2010 (UTC)

That was put into a few articles. I didn't know how many were left. I've taken it out, along with Alex for the same reason. --Enodoc^{(Talk) (User Space)} 22:48, November 28, 2010 (UTC)

I like to think that the non-hero parent is whomever you end up married to. And if you don't marry in Fable II then I like to believe that its some random person. Also just because the people seem to like the Old Hero King/Queen doesn't mean s/he was good. They could have been evil and people only liked them because they saved the day. At least thats my take on it lol --Alpha Lycos 23:10, November 28, 2010 (UTC)

exactly, they merely respect the old king/queen, it doesn't mean he/she wasn't evil,(remember the celebration of jack) i seriously feel like slamming the next person who says "good ending is canon" anyway i doubt it would be who ever you married though, as 50 years have gone by. though in terms of the players point of view and with the choices given to us and in purely gameplay and personal choice it could be lady grey. being undead gives her immortality. but it could be anyone else. actually now thats say it its actually around 32 years*(HOB's birth) or less(in terms of logans birth) but nevermind. 86.172.177.194 18:30, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for taking it off the pages, and good point about the respect thing, But I still believe in the canon. Agow95 20:09, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

In my canon, it's Alex, Logan and the HOBW don't have the eye shadows you get when lady grey gives you children. GOOD ENDING IS CANON, LIONHEAD SAYS SOTehHeroOfBowerstone (talk) 10:11, July 14, 2012 (UTC)

I don't recall an official statement from them, but if you know of one I'd happily accept it if you provide a reference. I think Lionhead try their best not to canonise any particular ending to keep players' decisions relevant. The only things they had to retcon was the defeat of JoB, otherwise there couldn't be any sequels, and the fact that Theresa is alive. They make clear references to the fact that the rest of the choices in TLC (eg The Souls of Heroes) had an ambiguous outcome, and don't make any clear suggestions on the endings of F2. --Enodoc^{(Talk) (User Space)} 11:28, July 14, 2012 (UTC)

Considerations and Inferences

I included this on Logan's page to stimulate some deeper thought on his motivation. I personally felt an "implied" influence by shadow power, but left it as an inference just because my bias to Logan being influenced by the Crawler may cloud my judgement a bit. Thoughts? ThatMeanGuy 19:27, December 21, 2010 (UTC)

I read it all, and I found it really interesting. I never really thought too much into why Logan was such a tyrant. On a serious note, it does seem like a lot of speculation, and speculation shouldn't be on a wiki page. However, with a section like that, I'm not sure if it should stay or go, considering it does go deep into the possibility on why Logan is the way he is, and allows the reader to form his/her own opinion. All in all, I liked it. Good job. XHobbes 19:31, December 21, 2010 (UTC)

It seems to me its pure speculation, but we shall let the admins decide. And I do recall it being said in the game that Logan did all he did to try protect Albion from the Crawler, it was only said he couldn't because he wasn't an active Hero. --Alpha Lycos 00:46, December 22, 2010 (UTC)

It is a very nice theory, but to me seems to be just that, with too much speculation and inference and nothing concrete. While I do agree with some of the points made, I am going to remove it from the page, since speculation as a rule is not allowed on pages, but I am going to put the whole thing here to preserve its content and allow the discussion about it to continue. If you can find some evidence in the game that directly supports some of the points made, rather than just inferring them, then those parts can be put back in again. --Enodoc^{(Talk) (User Space)} 01:08, December 22, 2010 (UTC)

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Although it has never been clearly stated, it can be inferred that the cruelty Logan exacted upon the citizens was not entirely due to the need to protect Albion but, rather influenced in part by the effects of the un-described shadow power manipulated by the Crawler.

Consider the direct effect of the shadow power on both the Hero and Walter Beck after their foray into the catacombs during the Weight of the World quest line. Although the Hero is able to shake off the influence (possibly due to the natural influence of will on a Hero), Walter is not. This leads to the possibility (if not likelihood) that Logan retained some residual effect of the shadow power. Logan obviously believes that he can defeat the Crawler in spite of his lack of hero abilities, and fights to near the bitter end to retain that power even though he is aware of the hero status of his sibling. The question then becomes, is this egotistical need to retain power a product of Logan's own personality, or the influence of the Crawler and his shadow power? This becomes even more germane, when we consider that Theresa made it quite clear that the fate of Albion rested in the Hero's hands and power needs to be wrested from him. The Hero can succeed even if he/she maintains or becomes even more cruel that her/his brother. As a result it can easily be inferred that in spite of Logan's belief that he is working for the betterment of Albion, he was in fact, playing directly into the Crawlers hands.

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But there is no real evidence that Logan:

• Knew a Hero would be needed to defeat the Crawler. Theresa might not have mentioned it to him. There are no known Heroes left and he may consider it a simple matter of organization. A hero can cast magic tricks, but Logan commands armies. It would be a rational concept for him to feel he is doing what needs to be done in relation to reality, not relying on someone to save them all.

• Knew his sibling was a Hero. Logan has spent most of his life attempting to keep his brother/sister the one innocent thing he had. Despite being grown up, he still thinks of them as a child. He shows surprise when he sees his sibling leading the rebellion, as he probably thought Walter kidnapped him/her as a hostage or ransom or just helped them run away to hide from him. Once he recognizes that his sibling is the leader Albion needs, he immediately stands down.

• Is egotistical in his actions of maintaining his crown. Logan did not want the responsibility of being king at all. He firmly believed the Crawlers victory was inevitable, but wasn’t going to go down without a fight. He tried to keep his sibling out of politics to protect them, but was quick to show them the tough choices someone with power must make. His actions against the rebels were because Albion couldn't afford to be divided and, even if he told them of the threat from the Crawler, he feared no one would believe him or underestimate the threat. Once he saw his sibling could prepare Albion better then he is graciously stepped down and loyally served.

• The he was playing into the Crawlers hands. His actions were cruel and ruthless, but - surprise- that exactly the choices that give Albion a fighting chance. its clear in the later times, as rebellion spread, Logan loss a great deal of money hunting the rebels down. If your Hero was evil you would do the same, but at that point everyone knew an evil was coming and considered you the lesser of to evils.

It should also be noted that being a Hero did not guaranty victory for Albion, so even with a Hero on the throne it was a long shot. Logan was doing the best he could, it just didn’t work out for him.Ironreaper 02:50, December 22, 2010 (UTC)

I agree Ironreaper, and that is the crux of this theory. Theresa never said that it would take a hero to defeat the Crawler, and it is quite clear that she believed at the beginning that Logan had what it took to defeat it. She gave Logan the same information and cryptic instructions/choices as she gave Hero. Remember that he was not as cruel before his foray into Aurora, and the event left him scarred by shadow externally. Considering that (within our narrow frame of reference) all who came into contact with the Crawler, excepting the hero, were either dead or posessed. We can infer, with no great leap of logic or faith, that he was infected with shadow. Especially considering that Theresa suddenly lost faith in Logan. More on this as I have time--75.175.191.136 16:55, December 22, 2010 (UTC)

Flaw with that. Theresa can see the future, even more so now she has the Spire, and thus knew what was going to happen. She knew that only a Hero on the throne would stop the fall of Albion, she states it more then once. Logan encountered the Crawler and vowed to help Aurora but was visited by Theresa and told that it was coming to Albion and that made him become the cruel leader he is known as. Theresa never had faith in Logan, she knew he would become cruel and harsh and it would lead to the revolution putting the Prince on the throne. To me the events of the game prove that Logan did what he thought to be the right path to save Albion and wasn't possessed by the shadows. If he was he would probably have been a bigger fight. --Alpha Lycos 23:46, December 22, 2010 (UTC)

Also you had compared his infection by shadow to that of Walter, yet Walter never showed any signs of change and did not act in anyway that would jeopardize Albion. He maintains a compassionate outlook, never attempts to kill the Hero over the initial year and, if he or anyone could truly be placed under the Crawler’s control simply by coming into contact with the Darkness, why would the Crawler need to jump down his throat to take control of him in the first place?Ironreaper 01:24, December 23, 2010 (UTC)

Theresa always knew that Logan couldn't defeat the Crawler, and that the hero of Brightwall needed to be the king, so she manipulated Logan into tyranny so that there would be a revolution that would place the hero of Brightwall on the throne, she manipulates everything, she caused the events of Fable II so the Spire could be rebuilt and so she could take it for her own, and she manipulated the events of Fable III to save Albion, this shows she corrupts her fore-sight, but is still good enough to try and save people. Agow95 11:31, December 23, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry about the away time. There is nothing in my theory that contradicts itself and although one could pick at individual evidences as based on mild conjecture (I was quite forthcoming about this), when the pieces are fit together, they do paint an interesting possibility. I doubt that Lionhead will weigh in on this debate so the gaps may never be filled. That said...

To answer some of the responses.

Theresa's ability to see in the future is not perfect, the storyline itself demonstrates this, just by the many possible outcomes between the three games. Theresa's need to manipulate the hero so that she could take control of the Spire contradicts any reliable foresight. Why manipulate the hero if the future is set and she would get control anyway? Also she said nothing about a Hero needing to occupy the throne until after it became clear to her that Logan was not able to fulfill his role as the savior. Seen in this light it seems clear that she had no clear knowledge of who was needed to save Albion until that moment.

If we were to consider that Logan felt compelled to remain on the throne only to protect Albion and for no other reason, Theresa would only have had to tell Logan that he needed to maintain the throne until his sibling was trained into his/her hero abilities. why would she do it? This was not the case, and Logan believed (as Theresa told him) he was to defend Albion from the Crawler/Shadow. As a result, Logan had to be acting on external influences by either Theresa, Crawler or another un-named entity. Because there is no payoff, nor any compelling plot driven reason for Theresa to influence him this way, only the two other options remain.

I never compared the influences of shadow on Logan and others with the possession of Walter. In fact I was trying to draw a distinction between Shadow and the Crawler. The Crawler uses shadow as an extension of himself and influenced both Walter and the Hero with it. It was well demonstrated that when he so desired, the Crawler could use shadow to manipulate the thoughts and emotions of those influenced by shadow. The fact that Walter's influence did not expose itself until late in the game actually gives credence to the possibility that there was some residual shadow influence in Logan. Logan was unnecessarily cruel to the citizens of Albion, He did not need to be as cruel to accomplish what he believed he needed to save the kingdom, and the fact that he praised his sibling for accomplishing what he could not without the need to be cruel (in one possible scenario), demonstrates that being so cruel was not in his nature.

Here is where the theory gets interesting. The Crawler is obviously aware that there is a new player in the game once Theresa begins to tap the new heroic resource that is Logan's sibling. With the destruction and disabling of the part of the fleet based in the harbor of BI, only one avoids damage. It then tracks and destroys the boat causing Walter and Hero to be washed up where they can easily come into the influence of the Crawler and Shadow. (more to come)--ThatMeanGuy 02:40, December 25, 2010 (UTC)

Theresa can see the future perfectly. The future has set outcomes which have to happen, as stated in the DLC "See the future" and her gaining the spire the way she did was one of those. She manipulated everything because she knew what was needed. She does what she sees fit to guide the world to the future its meant to have. The Hero of Bowerstone needed to do what they did as it would put them on the throne bringing their children into the world in the roles they had. The Hero of Brightwall needed to revolt against Logan to be able to destroy the Crawler. It is stated many times on the RtR that a Hero is needed. I've played through many times and recall that it was explictly stated that a Hero was needed or Albion would fall. And even so Theresa would only tell Logan and the Hero what was needed. Wouldn't be much of a game if she told Logan "Your brother/sister needs to be ruler with their Heroic powers" and since Logan blindly believed her about the Crawler coming to Albion he would have believed her about that and made the Prince/Princess into the ruler thus meaning no game events. She did what was needed by manipulating everything. --Alpha Lycos 06:52, December 25, 2010 (UTC)

Is This Logan?

Umm.... I've noticed these paintings in Bowerstone Castle and in Brightwall Academy and thought it looked like Logan. Perhaps in his younger years or before he became a tyrant? Kremlin16 17:21, January 9, 2011 (UTC)

I highly doubt it. There are pictures of a random fat lady that appears even if your Fable II hero was female. Why would they have a picture of a royal/noble lady who isn't your Fable III heroes mother? I think its just some random person.--Alpha Lycos 22:40, January 9, 2011 (UTC)

I know it has been sometime since the last post but I was thinking The same thing. Maby it was him in happier times like when he was a prince.Starshiptroopers 05:38, February 16, 2011 (UTC)

I don't think so. If you click A when near Logan's statue in Bowerstone Castle, it will say that it was "built to commemorate the coronation of King Logan", so I would assume that he look almost the same as he does in the game's present date.96.50.245.173 00:50, February 19, 2011

"Reaver will prove your most valuable asset"?

I remember hearing this quote that Michael Fassbender said while voicing Logan during the third development diary. Has anyone ever heard it before? Although I doubt it, because I saw some of Logan's guards in a screenshot for "Traitor's Keep" (if those aren't new outfits that come with the DLC), perhaps he could be there (something, as I said before, I highly doubt). 96.50.245.173 01:13, February 25, 2011 (UTC)

hey does it ever state how long Logan had been king?

I didn't change anything, of course. I just want to know how long he was technically king for. all I can find is that it's been definitely 4 years since he met the crawler, but how long had he been king before that?